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TORONTO, April 14, 2015 (Life Site -- As the second day of Ben Levin’s sentencing hearing for three child pornography-related convictions begins April 14, thousands of parents are expected at Queen’s Park and in London for protests against the radical Liberal sex education curriculum that critics say Levin himself admitted being responsibile for developing as an Ontario former deputy minister of education. Julian Gojer told the court that Levin had acknowledged “a pedophiliac interest that had gone on at least four years” which had a “sadistic component to it,” but which remained on a “fantasy level.” Gojer also told Justice Heather Adair Mc Arthur of the Ontario Court of Justice, “I have concern about [Levin’s] grooming or counseling a person to commit sexual acts.” This gets “closer to the end of hands-on” sexual abuse on the pedophiliac spectrum and “has the potential to cause some children harm.” “When it does involve counseling to commit sexual offences, not only are you talking about sexual abuse, you are indirectly or in a vicarious manner participating in the sexual exploitation of children,” stated the witness for the defense.

After persistent questioning by Crown co-prosecutor Patricia Garcia, Gojer agreed that a face-to-face meeting with a contact from an online sex-chat site constituted a “significant step” in the “chain of predation” from sexual fantasies to “hands-on” sexual abuse.

Garcia referred to Levin’s June 21, 2013 online conversation with New Zealand undercover officer Russell Gray.

Levin messaged that “I have met one guy” who had sent a picture of his daughter “who I find arousing” and, “I can talk to her father about her, about f—king her” and “we perve together.” Levin also said, “Anyway we have met in person once so you never know.” “This is an incredibly significant exchange,” Garcia said. We’re not in a fantasy world any more, we’re in reality.” When Garcia asked Gojer why he did not include this face-to-face meeting in his psychiatric report, the witness said that he only talked to Levin about it the day before the hearing, and that Levin told him he had not discussed children at the Amsterdam meeting. “It’s difficult to get the truth.” He said he did recall Levin saying earlier he met the man in Amsterdam, but assumed the Crown knew about it and that he didn’t have time to add an addendum.

He also stated there was “no way of knowing” if the man actually had any children.

Garcia also noted that Levin had “voice chatted” with an online contact, but that Gojer’s psychiatric report omitted the incident.

Under Garcia’s cross-examination, Gojer admitted that Levin’s “sadomasochistic” fantasies were at the “extreme end” of the spectrum.

“Any sexual abuse of a child has a sadomasochistic component to it,” Gojer told the court.Levin’s online chats with the undercover officers “are all sadomasochistic,” and “pedophiliac and sadomasochism are interwoven at a fantasy level” in them. “It draws more people into the circle…it’s a diffusion of responsibility,” Gojer replied.He testified that Levin described himself as a “couple” in his profile on “M”, an “alternative” sexual lifestyle website, which has chat rooms on “incest” and “teens.” Levin also claimed he and his wife had sexually abused their three daughters because “the chats are about incest,” Gojer testified, and Levin “wanted the fantasy to be as authentic as possible.” “The more realistic it looked the more exciting it became,” Gojer said. He stated that it would be “very disconcerting if there were children on the other end getting abused.” Garcia pointed out that with Levin’s “years of experience in education” he could not be unaware that there were actual children being abused.Justice Mc Arthur also questioned Gojer whether the psychiatrist had discussed with Levin, “given his involvement in education,” the photographs of “real children being abused.” Gojer said Levin “minimized” and “ignored” this, although he was “consciously aware children were being abused.” Moreover, Levin’s “standard answer was ‘I believed it was all fantasy.’” Levin’s “history is not sadomasochistic in real life,” Gojer said.His behavior towards his daughters and their friends was always appropriate, and “very non-intrusive.” Gojer testified that at the time of Levin’s “intense period of pedophiliac fantasies” of four to five years, he was under stress from work, his parents had dementia, and he was experiencing erectile dysfunction.(Four years before Levin’s arrest in 2013, he was deputy minister for then Liberal minister of education Kathleen Wynne.

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